Online Auction Results
Overall I was quite pleased with the revenue results of the online auction. It generated about 40% more than I had initially projected. This was a new approach to fund raising so we were a bit tentative in soliciting high end donations. The total number of items offered was slightly over 1/2 of what we would normally have at an in person fund raiser. To further complicate this auction, many items were originally for our in person event in 2020 which we had to cancel. Many of those items, particularly apparel, are not necessarily conducive to an online auction venue. Now that we know the system will work it opens another avenue for fund raising.
Stay tuned for our next events. We are planning (always subject to change) an online raffle, next fall, of two Henry rifles engraved with the signatures of Chris Burandt and Kevin Lavallee. Going into 2022 we are going to do two sweepstakes events, one prize in the $20,000.00 range and another in the $15,000.00 range. We also are planning an in person event in the spring of 2022. None of these events would be possible without the strong support of the generous donors and BSP members
I was also pleased that the majority of the auction bidders were BSP members supporting the cause. I often hear groups telling me that their fund raiser auctions simply become a flea market, people looking for deals. This has never been the case with BSP members. In fact, many folks have added generous donation amounts to their checkout payment. For that we are very grateful.
Thank you for your continued support.
Stan Spencer
Stay tuned for our next events. We are planning (always subject to change) an online raffle, next fall, of two Henry rifles engraved with the signatures of Chris Burandt and Kevin Lavallee. Going into 2022 we are going to do two sweepstakes events, one prize in the $20,000.00 range and another in the $15,000.00 range. We also are planning an in person event in the spring of 2022. None of these events would be possible without the strong support of the generous donors and BSP members
I was also pleased that the majority of the auction bidders were BSP members supporting the cause. I often hear groups telling me that their fund raiser auctions simply become a flea market, people looking for deals. This has never been the case with BSP members. In fact, many folks have added generous donation amounts to their checkout payment. For that we are very grateful.
Thank you for your continued support.
Stan Spencer
ONLINE AUCTION PAYMENT AND PICK-UP INSTRUCTIONS
A LIST OF WINNING BIDDERS INCLUDING LOT NUMBERS AND WINNING BID AMOUNT WILL BE POSTED BY 10:00 AM ON April 05
ONLINE PAYMENT:
Go to the DONATE section , WRITE A NOTE SPECIFYING THE LOT# (S) YOU ARE PAYING FOR.
PAYMENT AT TIME OF PICKUP MUST BE CASH OR CHECK ONLY
Pickup times will be between 10:00 and 4:00 , April 5-9. Text 406 544 0144 to set a time and receive location instructions. Pickup location is in Missoula.
If shipping is required call or text 406 544 0144. The item will be dropped at Shippers Depot and they will contact you with shipping charges. Item must be paid for prior to shipping.
ONLINE PAYMENT:
Go to the DONATE section , WRITE A NOTE SPECIFYING THE LOT# (S) YOU ARE PAYING FOR.
PAYMENT AT TIME OF PICKUP MUST BE CASH OR CHECK ONLY
Pickup times will be between 10:00 and 4:00 , April 5-9. Text 406 544 0144 to set a time and receive location instructions. Pickup location is in Missoula.
If shipping is required call or text 406 544 0144. The item will be dropped at Shippers Depot and they will contact you with shipping charges. Item must be paid for prior to shipping.
Backcountry Access Updates
The Forest Service supervisor is NOT going to issue a Heliskiing permit in the Centennials. Good news. The only downside to the decision was Grizzly Bear habitat infringement, not snowmobile access, was the reason for non issuance.
Now for the bad news. I recently discussed the Northern Rockies Ecosystem Protection Act with Rep Rosendale's natural resource person, Makenzie Shellnutt who is located in DC. It is a bombshell. It was introduced by Rep Maloney of New York, yes NY, on March 10. It would convert 23,000,000 acres (you read that right) into designated Wilderness and 1800 miles into wild and scenic rivers.
Here is a synopsis of the areas included: Whitefish Range, Great Burn, Italian Peaks, Gravelly Range, Gallatin Range, Crazy Mountains, Big Snowy Mountains, Pryor Mountains, and East Pioneers.
Other than part of the Great Burn which is in Id. these areas are all in Montana. Obviously the Montana wilderness groups couldn't get the Mt. Rep to introduce this bill so they found someone in New York.
This won't be the last wilderness bill to be introduced in this administration as they are really bent on 30% of all Federal Lands to be in conservation (non motorized). What you might find interesting is Biden (well, his staff) has not outlined what the 30% deal includes. Rosendale and others have co-authored a letter asking for clarification. Nevertheless the rank and file are going ahead with implementing their version of it anyway. Kind of like a flight attendant piloting an airplane. What could go wrong?
The good news is it takes a supermajority in the Senate to pass a wilderness bill so hopefully it should be DOA. I would encourage everyone to contact Sen Daines (Dan_Stusek@daines.senate.gov) asking him not to support this bill and ask him to solicit all Senators to vote against it. Remember there are some, probably many, senators who have have no idea, or care, what the back country means to our western way of life.
Now for the bad news. I recently discussed the Northern Rockies Ecosystem Protection Act with Rep Rosendale's natural resource person, Makenzie Shellnutt who is located in DC. It is a bombshell. It was introduced by Rep Maloney of New York, yes NY, on March 10. It would convert 23,000,000 acres (you read that right) into designated Wilderness and 1800 miles into wild and scenic rivers.
Here is a synopsis of the areas included: Whitefish Range, Great Burn, Italian Peaks, Gravelly Range, Gallatin Range, Crazy Mountains, Big Snowy Mountains, Pryor Mountains, and East Pioneers.
Other than part of the Great Burn which is in Id. these areas are all in Montana. Obviously the Montana wilderness groups couldn't get the Mt. Rep to introduce this bill so they found someone in New York.
This won't be the last wilderness bill to be introduced in this administration as they are really bent on 30% of all Federal Lands to be in conservation (non motorized). What you might find interesting is Biden (well, his staff) has not outlined what the 30% deal includes. Rosendale and others have co-authored a letter asking for clarification. Nevertheless the rank and file are going ahead with implementing their version of it anyway. Kind of like a flight attendant piloting an airplane. What could go wrong?
The good news is it takes a supermajority in the Senate to pass a wilderness bill so hopefully it should be DOA. I would encourage everyone to contact Sen Daines (Dan_Stusek@daines.senate.gov) asking him not to support this bill and ask him to solicit all Senators to vote against it. Remember there are some, probably many, senators who have have no idea, or care, what the back country means to our western way of life.
Auction Is Open
Here is a bit more clarity on accessing the auction site.
The link is: https://riverswestauction.hibid.com/catalog/267637/back-country-sled-patriots-online-2021/
At the very top of the home page click onto 'upcoming auctions', then click onto 'live and highbid auction'.
At the very bottom of the page click onto 'view catalog'
The home page layout may vary slightly on your specific phone but the prompts noted above remain the same.
The link is: https://riverswestauction.hibid.com/catalog/267637/back-country-sled-patriots-online-2021/
At the very top of the home page click onto 'upcoming auctions', then click onto 'live and highbid auction'.
At the very bottom of the page click onto 'view catalog'
The home page layout may vary slightly on your specific phone but the prompts noted above remain the same.
Auction Opens March 8, 2021
On each Friday at 5:00 while the auction is running, Mar 12, 19, 26, April 02 we will pull the name of the high bidder for each item. If you are the high bidder on multiple items your name will be entered multiple times. Those names will go into a bucket and a winning name will be drawn. The winner will be announced the following Monday. Prizes are: Mar 12: Klim/BSP Backcountry hoodie plus BSP cap, Mar 19: Klim/BSP jacket, Mar 26: Klim/BSP Yukon pullover, April 02: Karl Tyler car detail.
Now It Begins
On Friday the US House passed a public lands bill "protecting" nearly 3 million acres of Federal land. This bill still has to clear the Senate but looking at a broader picture this looks like just the "tip of the iceberg" defining the new administration's desire to exclude motorized use from "at least" 30% of all public lands to combat climate change.
The 3 million acres in this bill do not affect Montana. It covers land in Colorado, California, Washington and Arizona. Included in the bill are 660,000 acres to be designated "wilderness". I have no doubt Montana and Idaho are on the "to do list". This bill also adds 1000 miles to the Wild and Scenic Rivers system. They are claiming this is the largest land protection bill to go before Congress. I think they are just getting started.
This needs to be a "beginning" for all of us to get engaged with our Congressional reps to stop this land grab. The bottom line is we need to make a compelling argument to our representatives that we don't need more wilderness. Mt and Id have many RWA's and WSA's that these folks would dearly love to see converted to a Wilderness designation by Congressional action. No public input required.
Once the "W" gets assigned it is almost impossible to reverse.
There are over 2,000,000 acres designated by the Forest Service in Mt alone that can be converted to "W" by Congressional action. The structure in DC provides the unobstructed opportunity for the Wilderness advocates to convince Congress to establish a lot more wilderness designated areas in our State. The omly thing that can stand in their way is for all of us, and I mean ALL OF US, to convince the Senate (at least 1 democrat plus all the Republicans) that this is a bad idea.
I won't go into the ways to accomplish that outcome today but hopefully this will be a wake-up call that we need a proactive plan to try keep more areas from being closed permanently. Wishful thinking is not a good plan. If we do nothing we won't get a second bite at the apple.
The 3 million acres in this bill do not affect Montana. It covers land in Colorado, California, Washington and Arizona. Included in the bill are 660,000 acres to be designated "wilderness". I have no doubt Montana and Idaho are on the "to do list". This bill also adds 1000 miles to the Wild and Scenic Rivers system. They are claiming this is the largest land protection bill to go before Congress. I think they are just getting started.
This needs to be a "beginning" for all of us to get engaged with our Congressional reps to stop this land grab. The bottom line is we need to make a compelling argument to our representatives that we don't need more wilderness. Mt and Id have many RWA's and WSA's that these folks would dearly love to see converted to a Wilderness designation by Congressional action. No public input required.
Once the "W" gets assigned it is almost impossible to reverse.
There are over 2,000,000 acres designated by the Forest Service in Mt alone that can be converted to "W" by Congressional action. The structure in DC provides the unobstructed opportunity for the Wilderness advocates to convince Congress to establish a lot more wilderness designated areas in our State. The omly thing that can stand in their way is for all of us, and I mean ALL OF US, to convince the Senate (at least 1 democrat plus all the Republicans) that this is a bad idea.
I won't go into the ways to accomplish that outcome today but hopefully this will be a wake-up call that we need a proactive plan to try keep more areas from being closed permanently. Wishful thinking is not a good plan. If we do nothing we won't get a second bite at the apple.
Winning isn't everything but losing sucks!
Keith Curtis had a full sweep at his first RMSHA race this past weekend. His success comes down to the basics: "the will to win is important....the will to prepare is critical". Of course an unbelievable skillset helps!
Working with various agencies to try keep our back country riding areas open is not nearly as sexy as RMSHA racing but the same principals apply if we are to succeed. I bring this up because the current administrations climate agenda seems very pointed towards closing back country motorized access through elimination of fossil fuels and using climate change as a basis (subterfuge) for protecting certain wildlife that lives in the high country in the winter (Wolverines and Lynx). We, as in all snowmobilers, need to be preparing now to counter these unfounded claims. The climate aspect is the most troubling in my mind. It appears the current politically correct approach is to throw s__t against the wall and see what sticks.
A whole herd of wilderness groups have sued the US FWS to reverse its decision that Wolverines and Canada Lynx do not need to be listed as endangered. Do you sense the current administration will change people at US FWS to be receptive to an endangered listing only for political reasons?
BSP has joined ISSA as an intervenor supporting the US FWS decision to not list. If these two animals become listed as endangered, the next step will be to try stop snowmobiling in any existing or perceived habitat areas which cover most back country snowmobiling areas in the Northwest US. Not just WSA's and RWA's but ALL BACK COUNTRY AREAS!
This is the time (surely you can find 15 min to do this) to contact your Congressional representatives to voice your opposition to any politically driven endangered listing of the Wolverine or Canada Lynx and support the current US FWS decision and reasoning not to list.
Working with various agencies to try keep our back country riding areas open is not nearly as sexy as RMSHA racing but the same principals apply if we are to succeed. I bring this up because the current administrations climate agenda seems very pointed towards closing back country motorized access through elimination of fossil fuels and using climate change as a basis (subterfuge) for protecting certain wildlife that lives in the high country in the winter (Wolverines and Lynx). We, as in all snowmobilers, need to be preparing now to counter these unfounded claims. The climate aspect is the most troubling in my mind. It appears the current politically correct approach is to throw s__t against the wall and see what sticks.
A whole herd of wilderness groups have sued the US FWS to reverse its decision that Wolverines and Canada Lynx do not need to be listed as endangered. Do you sense the current administration will change people at US FWS to be receptive to an endangered listing only for political reasons?
BSP has joined ISSA as an intervenor supporting the US FWS decision to not list. If these two animals become listed as endangered, the next step will be to try stop snowmobiling in any existing or perceived habitat areas which cover most back country snowmobiling areas in the Northwest US. Not just WSA's and RWA's but ALL BACK COUNTRY AREAS!
This is the time (surely you can find 15 min to do this) to contact your Congressional representatives to voice your opposition to any politically driven endangered listing of the Wolverine or Canada Lynx and support the current US FWS decision and reasoning not to list.
Preview of What's to Come in 2021
I doubt anyone would disagree that 2020 was a year to forget. BSP had two big disappointments: The 9th circuit ruled against our appeal to the Bitterroot NF Travel plan lawsuit. The appointed panel was comprised of (3) Dem appointees so the outcome was pretty much predetermined.
We initiated a coalition to review the fundamentals of allowed uses in RWA's and picked the Beaverhead Deerlodge NF as a test. We engaged an independent arbitrator to establish a fair outcome. Unfortunately, he and I had some strong disagreements on the validity of subsequent Supreme Court decisions that would have the potential to reverse previous B-DL forest plan litigation. He abruptly resigned as an arbitrator which left us holding the bag. That certainly cost us some political capital.
BSP joined a group of about (7) like-minded groups to draft and present a letter to the USFWS regarding a potential Wolverine endangered listing and explaining snowmobiles have no negative effect on their well being. The USFWS decided to not list the Wolverine. Hard to say if our input was a deciding factor.
The Clearwater NF commended us for rallying snowmobilers to show up at "meet and greet" events and to submit comments on the Clearwater NF Forest Plan.
I think we really need to look at 2021 in PREVIEW rather than 2020 in review.
The challenges to keep backcountry motorized areas open are going to be challenged as never before with the new administration. Remember the Forest Service is an agency within the Department of Agriculture and the new Secretary is appointed by the President. The policy will be driven from the top down.
So do we put out tails between our legs and hide in a corner? NO!.
The one thing that we need to focus on is expanding public opinion (awareness) that snowmobiling is a good thing. Look at what transpired in this country last year that was driven by public opinion. Expanding public opinion is not done in the coffee shop "preaching to the choir". It is done by making the general public aware of the facts. Every individual who wants to continue riding in the backcountry needs to be involved in order for our efforts to succeed. More on this in the coming months.
We will be doing some mega online raffle and auction events in the upcoming months. Just putting the final touches on details. Hopefully, everything will be ready for release by Jan 15, 2021.
Wishing everyone a happy and prosperous New Year.
We initiated a coalition to review the fundamentals of allowed uses in RWA's and picked the Beaverhead Deerlodge NF as a test. We engaged an independent arbitrator to establish a fair outcome. Unfortunately, he and I had some strong disagreements on the validity of subsequent Supreme Court decisions that would have the potential to reverse previous B-DL forest plan litigation. He abruptly resigned as an arbitrator which left us holding the bag. That certainly cost us some political capital.
BSP joined a group of about (7) like-minded groups to draft and present a letter to the USFWS regarding a potential Wolverine endangered listing and explaining snowmobiles have no negative effect on their well being. The USFWS decided to not list the Wolverine. Hard to say if our input was a deciding factor.
The Clearwater NF commended us for rallying snowmobilers to show up at "meet and greet" events and to submit comments on the Clearwater NF Forest Plan.
I think we really need to look at 2021 in PREVIEW rather than 2020 in review.
The challenges to keep backcountry motorized areas open are going to be challenged as never before with the new administration. Remember the Forest Service is an agency within the Department of Agriculture and the new Secretary is appointed by the President. The policy will be driven from the top down.
So do we put out tails between our legs and hide in a corner? NO!.
The one thing that we need to focus on is expanding public opinion (awareness) that snowmobiling is a good thing. Look at what transpired in this country last year that was driven by public opinion. Expanding public opinion is not done in the coffee shop "preaching to the choir". It is done by making the general public aware of the facts. Every individual who wants to continue riding in the backcountry needs to be involved in order for our efforts to succeed. More on this in the coming months.
We will be doing some mega online raffle and auction events in the upcoming months. Just putting the final touches on details. Hopefully, everything will be ready for release by Jan 15, 2021.
Wishing everyone a happy and prosperous New Year.
Thanks to everyone who bid!
Dana with his new ride. Hope he shares with his grandson.
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High bid for the youth 4 wheeler at 3:30 Friday is $1800.00, which by the way, is well under (like really under) MSRP. Bids close at 5:00 Sat 19th Stop by Russell Motor Sports in Missoula to bid via slent auction. High bid at 5:00 Saturday, 12/19/20 gets it.
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ATV Silent Auction
The current high bid as of 3:00 Tues PM is $1,200.00. Are you going to let someone steal it for about 1/3 of replacement cost? Check out the youth Arctic Cat ATV and enter your bid at Russell Sports/Grizzly Harley Davidson in Missoula. If you want to raise your bid but can't get back to the store you can send me an email at stanspencer@montana.com and we will enter your new bid amount. Bidding closes 5:00 PM Dec 19.
It is not just about getting a deal but also about supporting BSP efforts to keep our back country riding areas open.
The current high bid as of 3:00 Tues PM is $1,200.00. Are you going to let someone steal it for about 1/3 of replacement cost? Check out the youth Arctic Cat ATV and enter your bid at Russell Sports/Grizzly Harley Davidson in Missoula. If you want to raise your bid but can't get back to the store you can send me an email at stanspencer@montana.com and we will enter your new bid amount. Bidding closes 5:00 PM Dec 19.
It is not just about getting a deal but also about supporting BSP efforts to keep our back country riding areas open.
COMMENT PROCESS FOR THE DRAFT ENVIRONMENTAL IMPACT STATEMENT (DEIS) FOR THE CLEARWATER NATIONAL FOREST (GREAT BURN).
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The Draft Environmental Impact Statement (DEIS) for the Clearwater National Forest Plan Revision has a total of (5) proposed activities for the Great Burn Recommended Wilderness Area (RWA)
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Suggested comment framework:
Support the "NO ACTION ALTERNATIVE" with the following changes: Hoodoo area will be designated as 'semi-primitive motorized' instead of a RWA. Access would be limited to snowmobiles, snow bikes and Mtn bikes. North Fork Spruce-White Sands and Sneakfoot Meadows RWA's will be eliminated. The reason for going with the NO ACTION ALTERNATIVE WITH CHANGES instead of going with alternative X is many snowmobile groups feel this is a fair designation for both motorized and non-motorized users that allows uses that will not diminish the wildness character of the area. The reason for eliminating the three RWA’s mentioned is they are “bolt on” areas to existing wilderness but do not have the characteristics to qualify for a future wilderness designation.
It is important to note WHY you support the above changes. Personally, I love the Great Burn for SCENERY, CHALLENGE, AND SOLITUDE. It is an area like no other in the lower 48 States. You certainly may have other reasons why you like the area. There are no other users in the high country in the winter season. There is no wildlife disturbance in the winter due to snow depth. When the snow melts, all trace of snowmobiling is erased. The reason for eliminating the North Fork Spruce-White Sands and Sneakfoot RWA‘s is they do not meet the Forest Service criteria for potential inclusion into the Wilderness preservation system. They are areas that had been historically accessed by snowmobilers for many years.
Depending upon the FS map you look at, North Fork Spruce-white Sands includes what we call "Beaver Ridge" area (includes Beaver Lake). Remember The FS designates all the Gt. Burn area as 'Hoodoo', not just the area north of Fish Lake. In the 'no action' alternative the Gt. Burn RWA stays the same size as it is today with none of the additional proposed RWA's that show up in Alt 'W' and 'Z'.
It might be helpful to add to your comments something along the line: we don't support a RWA designation, but do support protection of the Great Burn from any activity(s) that could impair the character of the area. Areas noted for RWA expansion in alternatives 'W' and 'Z' do not meet the criteria for Recommended Wilderness.
When I submit my presentation to the FS I'll go into the reasoning why we don't support a RWA designation. The above comment proposal is a combination of parts of (4) alternatives: No action, Alt X, Y and Z. The FS has encouraged a "mix and match" approach to build a final preferred alternative.
Several large organizations in both Mt. and Id. are aligned with BSP position which puts us in a strong unified position. I am not a spokesperson for those groups so I can't name them.
I would strongly suggest you go to the Clearwater NF Forest Plan Revision website and look at the DEIS maps of the alternatives to follow the rationale for the above comment proposal.
One thing I need to make clear. We are not supporting any RWA designation in our comment/proposal. However, there are some RWA's that are in the "NO ACTION" Alternative that are outside of our interest. You can see them on the maps in the DEIS. DO NOT COMMENT ON THOSE AREAS . Stay silent on them. Doing any comment along the line that states "we can't get there, or don't ride there so it's not an issue", could inadvertently be construed to show support for a future wilderness designation, regardless of location.
I have been thinking that people may not bother to comment on the Clearwater NF plan revision (Gt. Burn) due to the sheer enormity of the DEIS publication. I received a call last night that confirmed my suspicions. There is a means to get a thumbnail sketch of the DEIS. If you read the Executive Summary of the DEIS you can get a feel for the overall content. Keep in mind, alternative Z on page 11 does not mention snowmobiling and mtn bikes are allowed. This was confirmed to me by the forest planner. Hopefully they will publish an amendment.
Adding Comments To DEIS
The email to comment is: fpr_npclw@fs.us This email lets you add your comment to an ‘e-collaborative’ where you can see and respond to other comments. When using this link you need to complete the subject line with the following : Collaborative information. Hoodoo (Great Burn area) .
The comment period has been extended to April 20. Keep your calendar open for the FS meetings in both Id. and Mt.
Feel free to contact me if you have any questions or concerns.
You can get to the Forest Plan revision website using the following link: http://bit.ly/NezClearFPR . You can easily access the DEIS Index. If you click onto the 16 page Executive Summary you can get a thumbnail sketch of the alternatives offered and an oversight of the 2000 page DEIS. You can also scroll down the index and click onto the maps specific to the alternatives and see the areas I have suggested to comment on. The comment period closes April 20,2020.
If you don’t comment during this comment period, you are not eligible to comment on the Final Environmental Impact Statement (FEIS) when it is released in about one year. The FEIS will be the preferred alternative the FS plans on going with.
Next issue: where do you find this information?
Google Nez Perce Clearwater National Forest Plan Revision Click on the header that highlights reviewing the forest plan using the 2012 forest planning rules scroll down to the DRAFT ENVIRONMENTAL IMPACT STATEMENT and click onto it scroll down the index to EXECUTIVE SUMMARY. (it is 16 pages and you can probably get through it in about 15 min)
The Index will also allow you to look a certain aspects of the DEIS without reading all 2000 pages.
Getting engaged in the planning process is the only way we are going to regain access to the Great Burn riding area. That means EVERYONE needs to spend a bit of time and energy to make it happen.
The Forest Service public meeting dates are also noted in the above information. Showing up for these meetings in your respective areas is critical. The first Meeting was in Moscow, Id last Sat. The "Friends of the Clearwater", a wilderness advocate group, organized a turnout rally to oppose any potential motorized/mechanized uses in the Gt. Burn. Fortunately we got wind of it and Luke Bledsoe from Team Lochsa and a BSP member, rallied the local snowmobile clubs to show up. I understand they did show up and conducted themselves very professionally.
The same scenario is likely to repeat in all of the Montana meetings. We have to show up and be heard.
These dates and times are set to allow most working folks to attend without missing work. No excuse not to show up. I will post more specific info on the meetings as we get closer to the actual date.
Here is detailed info on the upcoming Forest Service meetings re: Gt Burn:
Feb 21. St. Regis
5:00-7:00
St. Regis Community Center
230 Lobo Loop
Feb 22 Missoula
10:00-12:00
Northern Rockies Training Center
5765 W. Broadway
Feb 22, Hamilton
3:00-5:00
Bitterroot Forest Supervisors Office
1801 N. 1st St.
I can't stress enough, the value of attending these meetings. A small sacrifice of time could pay large long term benefits to the snowmobile community as a whole.
Please share this information with your fellow snowmobilers....only if they are interested in supporting a potential re-opening of the Great Burn, Beaver Ridge, and adjacent areas to snowmobiling.
Stan Spencer
Support the "NO ACTION ALTERNATIVE" with the following changes: Hoodoo area will be designated as 'semi-primitive motorized' instead of a RWA. Access would be limited to snowmobiles, snow bikes and Mtn bikes. North Fork Spruce-White Sands and Sneakfoot Meadows RWA's will be eliminated. The reason for going with the NO ACTION ALTERNATIVE WITH CHANGES instead of going with alternative X is many snowmobile groups feel this is a fair designation for both motorized and non-motorized users that allows uses that will not diminish the wildness character of the area. The reason for eliminating the three RWA’s mentioned is they are “bolt on” areas to existing wilderness but do not have the characteristics to qualify for a future wilderness designation.
It is important to note WHY you support the above changes. Personally, I love the Great Burn for SCENERY, CHALLENGE, AND SOLITUDE. It is an area like no other in the lower 48 States. You certainly may have other reasons why you like the area. There are no other users in the high country in the winter season. There is no wildlife disturbance in the winter due to snow depth. When the snow melts, all trace of snowmobiling is erased. The reason for eliminating the North Fork Spruce-White Sands and Sneakfoot RWA‘s is they do not meet the Forest Service criteria for potential inclusion into the Wilderness preservation system. They are areas that had been historically accessed by snowmobilers for many years.
Depending upon the FS map you look at, North Fork Spruce-white Sands includes what we call "Beaver Ridge" area (includes Beaver Lake). Remember The FS designates all the Gt. Burn area as 'Hoodoo', not just the area north of Fish Lake. In the 'no action' alternative the Gt. Burn RWA stays the same size as it is today with none of the additional proposed RWA's that show up in Alt 'W' and 'Z'.
It might be helpful to add to your comments something along the line: we don't support a RWA designation, but do support protection of the Great Burn from any activity(s) that could impair the character of the area. Areas noted for RWA expansion in alternatives 'W' and 'Z' do not meet the criteria for Recommended Wilderness.
When I submit my presentation to the FS I'll go into the reasoning why we don't support a RWA designation. The above comment proposal is a combination of parts of (4) alternatives: No action, Alt X, Y and Z. The FS has encouraged a "mix and match" approach to build a final preferred alternative.
Several large organizations in both Mt. and Id. are aligned with BSP position which puts us in a strong unified position. I am not a spokesperson for those groups so I can't name them.
I would strongly suggest you go to the Clearwater NF Forest Plan Revision website and look at the DEIS maps of the alternatives to follow the rationale for the above comment proposal.
One thing I need to make clear. We are not supporting any RWA designation in our comment/proposal. However, there are some RWA's that are in the "NO ACTION" Alternative that are outside of our interest. You can see them on the maps in the DEIS. DO NOT COMMENT ON THOSE AREAS . Stay silent on them. Doing any comment along the line that states "we can't get there, or don't ride there so it's not an issue", could inadvertently be construed to show support for a future wilderness designation, regardless of location.
I have been thinking that people may not bother to comment on the Clearwater NF plan revision (Gt. Burn) due to the sheer enormity of the DEIS publication. I received a call last night that confirmed my suspicions. There is a means to get a thumbnail sketch of the DEIS. If you read the Executive Summary of the DEIS you can get a feel for the overall content. Keep in mind, alternative Z on page 11 does not mention snowmobiling and mtn bikes are allowed. This was confirmed to me by the forest planner. Hopefully they will publish an amendment.
Adding Comments To DEIS
The email to comment is: fpr_npclw@fs.us This email lets you add your comment to an ‘e-collaborative’ where you can see and respond to other comments. When using this link you need to complete the subject line with the following : Collaborative information. Hoodoo (Great Burn area) .
The comment period has been extended to April 20. Keep your calendar open for the FS meetings in both Id. and Mt.
Feel free to contact me if you have any questions or concerns.
You can get to the Forest Plan revision website using the following link: http://bit.ly/NezClearFPR . You can easily access the DEIS Index. If you click onto the 16 page Executive Summary you can get a thumbnail sketch of the alternatives offered and an oversight of the 2000 page DEIS. You can also scroll down the index and click onto the maps specific to the alternatives and see the areas I have suggested to comment on. The comment period closes April 20,2020.
If you don’t comment during this comment period, you are not eligible to comment on the Final Environmental Impact Statement (FEIS) when it is released in about one year. The FEIS will be the preferred alternative the FS plans on going with.
Next issue: where do you find this information?
Google Nez Perce Clearwater National Forest Plan Revision Click on the header that highlights reviewing the forest plan using the 2012 forest planning rules scroll down to the DRAFT ENVIRONMENTAL IMPACT STATEMENT and click onto it scroll down the index to EXECUTIVE SUMMARY. (it is 16 pages and you can probably get through it in about 15 min)
The Index will also allow you to look a certain aspects of the DEIS without reading all 2000 pages.
Getting engaged in the planning process is the only way we are going to regain access to the Great Burn riding area. That means EVERYONE needs to spend a bit of time and energy to make it happen.
The Forest Service public meeting dates are also noted in the above information. Showing up for these meetings in your respective areas is critical. The first Meeting was in Moscow, Id last Sat. The "Friends of the Clearwater", a wilderness advocate group, organized a turnout rally to oppose any potential motorized/mechanized uses in the Gt. Burn. Fortunately we got wind of it and Luke Bledsoe from Team Lochsa and a BSP member, rallied the local snowmobile clubs to show up. I understand they did show up and conducted themselves very professionally.
The same scenario is likely to repeat in all of the Montana meetings. We have to show up and be heard.
These dates and times are set to allow most working folks to attend without missing work. No excuse not to show up. I will post more specific info on the meetings as we get closer to the actual date.
Here is detailed info on the upcoming Forest Service meetings re: Gt Burn:
Feb 21. St. Regis
5:00-7:00
St. Regis Community Center
230 Lobo Loop
Feb 22 Missoula
10:00-12:00
Northern Rockies Training Center
5765 W. Broadway
Feb 22, Hamilton
3:00-5:00
Bitterroot Forest Supervisors Office
1801 N. 1st St.
I can't stress enough, the value of attending these meetings. A small sacrifice of time could pay large long term benefits to the snowmobile community as a whole.
Please share this information with your fellow snowmobilers....only if they are interested in supporting a potential re-opening of the Great Burn, Beaver Ridge, and adjacent areas to snowmobiling.
Stan Spencer
Comment on Nez-Perc Clearwater National Forest Plan Revision
My name is Stan Spencer. I am commenting on the Nez-Perc Clearwater National Forest Plan Revision. I am the President of Backcountry Sled Patriots (BSP). This comment represents the position of approx. 2000 snowmobiling members and another 2,800 associate members. The Draft Environmental Impact Statement (DEIS) speaks to four alternative approaches to managing the Great Burn and several additional management areas plus a “no-action” alternative. BSP does not consider itself to be qualified to speak authoritatively on suggested RWA areas outside of the current Great Burn (Hoodoo) RWA geographic boundaries and two smaller RWA areas: North Fork Spruce-White Sands and Sneakfoot Meadows . The DEIS suggests that components of the draft alternatives may be re-configured to develop a final alternative. BSP is not in favor of any Recommended Wilderness (RWA) designation because all RWA’s in Region one are being managed as Wilderness. BSP does not agree that management prescription follows the intent of the 2012 Forest Planning rules and in fact seems to be an end run around Congressional intent. The Great Burn (Hoodoo) is a special place that should be protected from any activities that would impair the physical characteristics that define it. All users, non-motorized and winter motorized, appreciate the area for the same reasons: CHALLENGE, SCENERY, SOLITUDE. The Great Burn (Hoodoo) is roughly 200,000 acres, depending upon which map is referenced. Approximately 20,000 acres, or 10%, can actually be accessed via snowmobile due to terrain restrictions. See attached map. Some of those restrictions include: too heavily timbered, too steep (rock cliffs) and many drainages get severely wind drifted making access impossible or at the least, impractical. One specific example: Williams Creek has a waterfall near the confluence of Frog Greek and Kelly Creek that makes through passage impossible via snowmobile because the sides of the narrow canyon at that spot are steep and timbered disallowing any bypass. North Fork Spruce-White Sands and Sneakfoot meadows are more accessible via snowmobile. I would estimate approximately 50% of that RWA total is accessible.
BSP RECOMMENDED ALTERNATIVE : the current Hoodoo RWA acreage be reclassified as: SEMI-PRIMITIVE MOTORIZED. Access would be limited to snowmobiles, snow-bikes, and mtn bikes. North Fork Spruce-White Sands and Sneakfoot Meadows RWA’s would be eliminated. A more appropriate designation might be primitive motorized however the ROS system as designed does not allow that experience (DEIS 3.4.2-22) The above re-classification for the HOODOO RWA will protect and preserve the physical characteristics of the area, yet allow a broader spectrum of uses. North Fork Spruce-White Sands and Sneakfoot Meadows do not have significant attributes that qualify for RWA designation. When BSP examined the Record of Decision (ROD) for the current Travel Plan for the Clearwater National Forest one thing became apparent. The decision to prohibit all motorized activity in the Hoodoo RWA ultimately was based on SEGREGATION of users, not for any specified or quantified protective measures. In other words, the non-motorized users did not want any motorized users in that area. Not because of environmental impact, but because they simply don’t like them. That form of discrimination is not allowed in the work place. It is not allowed in business establishments serving the public. Yet it is being practiced on publicly owned lands. One consequence of segregating snowmobilers out of the high back country is it forces them into more concentrated user areas. An example would be Lolo Pass. This area has a number of groomed trails and many are shared with cross country skiers. Pushing more snowmobilers into that area can only raise the expectation of more user conflicts. There is a lot of language in the Travel Plan ROD referencing “SOCIAL VALUES”, which can lead to many interpretations, the most favored is “user conflict”. Subsequent to the 2012 Forest Planning rules being implemented a footnote (2) to a 2017 9th Circuit Court of Appeals stated in part “we need not address the question of whether on-snow user conflicts are outside the scope of the agency’s required NEPA analysis entirely because they are “citizens’ subjective experiences” (Wild Wilderness V. Allen). in the case of snowmobiling in the HOODOO RWA how can any impact on social values, whatever that might entail, be quantified when the single user activity in the winter is (was) snowmobiling?. The time has come to DESGREGATE back country access. IT IS A TIME TO EMBRACE A TOLERANCE FOR RECREATIONAL PREFERENCES. WILDLIFE MYTH AND FACT IN THE GREAT BURN I snowmobiled in the Great Burn for 35 years (I’m 76 years old) before it was closed to snowmobiling. I am one of a handful of people who pioneered a snowmobile access route into the Williams Lake and Goat Lake areas. Myth: snowmobiles impact the mortality rate of Wolverines. FACT: Wolverines den in areas not accessible by natural predators, and by default, not accessible by snowmobiles. I have seen Wolverines (from a long distance), and Wolverine sign, in the back reaches of the Great Burn. They den in cliff or rugged access areas that are simply not even close to where a snowmobile might be able to access. I am not aware of any Wolverine study done in the winter season in the Great Burn which renders any assumptions about snowmobile impact in that area moot. Even if the proposed listing of the Wolverine as threatened or endangered were to materialize it would not change the FACT that there is NO SCIENTIFIC evidence snowmobiles are bothering Wolverines in the Great Burn. Much reference to Wolverine habitat and potential disturbance is based on modeling results, not actual study/finding FACTS. (DEIS 3.2.3.3-63) Myth: snowmobiles invade Goat winter habitat and impact the mortality rate of Mtn Goats. Fact: Mtn Goats winter range will be an area where they can find forage (DEIS 3.2.3.2-77) such as dried grasses and lichen as a food source. This will predicate areas that typically have less than two feet of snow depth. Snowmobiles need about five feet of snow to be able to travel on top of down fall and boulders etc. to access the high terrain back country. Fact: Goat winter ranges in the Great Burn have not been identified except for Land Owner Mt. (which is adjacent to the Great Burn). There is a small herd that winters on Land Owner Mtn. off the Forest Service road going to Hoodoo Pass. They are visible from that road and have readily adapted to snowmobile traffic. I have a picture of one in that area taken from my snowmobile and had to whistle several times to get him to stand up so I could get a better picture!. Fact: I have never seen a Mtn Goat or a Mtn Goat track while snowmobiling in the Great Burn over a 35 year period except on the Land Owner Mtn. winter range. I have never heard of anyone seeing a Mtn Goat while snowmobiling in the Great Burn except as noted above. Fact: Mtn Goat levels continue to decline at a higher rate in the Bitterroot Selway Wilderness than in the Great Burn RWA even though there is ZERO motorized activity allowed in the Bitterroot Selway. (DEIS 3.2.3.4-32). FACT: there is no scientific evidence of correlation between snowmobile activity and Mtn Goat mortality rates.
THE GREAT BURN SNOWMOBILE EXPERIENCE
The Great Burn really is the “last best place” to snowmobile in the lower 48 States (DEIS 3.4.2-22). The access into the three riding areas are all primitive non-groomed trails which in itself limits the number of riders willing to go into the pristine back country. It is not uncommon to enter an area and see no other snowmobile tracks. That is part of the “solitude” experience. Riding with a small group and not seeing any other riders all day is another part of the “solitude” experience. Being able to get into spectacular bowl configurations such as the headwaters of Frog Creek or the headwaters of Silver Creek are sights few snowmobilers (and summer users) get to see. Seeing them in the winter with the pristine snow contrasting with the rock formations is unbelievable. Climbing to the top of a ridge and being able to view wild country for miles in all directions is the “scenery” experience. It gives one the same sensory experience Lewis and Clark probably felt when they viewed this country from a high vantage point. The “challenge” of the area for snowmobilers can be just getting there. Some days the fresh snow depths have you, and your sled, working so hard you might only make a few miles. On good days being able to cut a line through the trees or being able to climb through a bowl to the top, follow a ridge line and then drop into another bowl or drainage on untracked snow is the Holy Grail of snowmobiling. And the residual beauty of this experience is: when the snow melts all trace of activity is gone.
CONCLUSION
At the end of the day it comes down to considering recreational uses to be allowed in the Great Burn that will not impair the WILDNESS of the area. It cannot be about considering user restrictions to satisfy only certain recreational user preferences. It comes down to considering impacts to wildlife based on FACTS and scientific studies, not modeling studies or assumed unproven impacts. IT COMES DOWN TO MANAGING PUBLIC LANDS FOR THE GREATER GOOD OF THE PUBLIC.
Stan Spencer
President
Backcountry Sled Patriots
406 544 0144
stanspencer@montana.com
BSP RECOMMENDED ALTERNATIVE : the current Hoodoo RWA acreage be reclassified as: SEMI-PRIMITIVE MOTORIZED. Access would be limited to snowmobiles, snow-bikes, and mtn bikes. North Fork Spruce-White Sands and Sneakfoot Meadows RWA’s would be eliminated. A more appropriate designation might be primitive motorized however the ROS system as designed does not allow that experience (DEIS 3.4.2-22) The above re-classification for the HOODOO RWA will protect and preserve the physical characteristics of the area, yet allow a broader spectrum of uses. North Fork Spruce-White Sands and Sneakfoot Meadows do not have significant attributes that qualify for RWA designation. When BSP examined the Record of Decision (ROD) for the current Travel Plan for the Clearwater National Forest one thing became apparent. The decision to prohibit all motorized activity in the Hoodoo RWA ultimately was based on SEGREGATION of users, not for any specified or quantified protective measures. In other words, the non-motorized users did not want any motorized users in that area. Not because of environmental impact, but because they simply don’t like them. That form of discrimination is not allowed in the work place. It is not allowed in business establishments serving the public. Yet it is being practiced on publicly owned lands. One consequence of segregating snowmobilers out of the high back country is it forces them into more concentrated user areas. An example would be Lolo Pass. This area has a number of groomed trails and many are shared with cross country skiers. Pushing more snowmobilers into that area can only raise the expectation of more user conflicts. There is a lot of language in the Travel Plan ROD referencing “SOCIAL VALUES”, which can lead to many interpretations, the most favored is “user conflict”. Subsequent to the 2012 Forest Planning rules being implemented a footnote (2) to a 2017 9th Circuit Court of Appeals stated in part “we need not address the question of whether on-snow user conflicts are outside the scope of the agency’s required NEPA analysis entirely because they are “citizens’ subjective experiences” (Wild Wilderness V. Allen). in the case of snowmobiling in the HOODOO RWA how can any impact on social values, whatever that might entail, be quantified when the single user activity in the winter is (was) snowmobiling?. The time has come to DESGREGATE back country access. IT IS A TIME TO EMBRACE A TOLERANCE FOR RECREATIONAL PREFERENCES. WILDLIFE MYTH AND FACT IN THE GREAT BURN I snowmobiled in the Great Burn for 35 years (I’m 76 years old) before it was closed to snowmobiling. I am one of a handful of people who pioneered a snowmobile access route into the Williams Lake and Goat Lake areas. Myth: snowmobiles impact the mortality rate of Wolverines. FACT: Wolverines den in areas not accessible by natural predators, and by default, not accessible by snowmobiles. I have seen Wolverines (from a long distance), and Wolverine sign, in the back reaches of the Great Burn. They den in cliff or rugged access areas that are simply not even close to where a snowmobile might be able to access. I am not aware of any Wolverine study done in the winter season in the Great Burn which renders any assumptions about snowmobile impact in that area moot. Even if the proposed listing of the Wolverine as threatened or endangered were to materialize it would not change the FACT that there is NO SCIENTIFIC evidence snowmobiles are bothering Wolverines in the Great Burn. Much reference to Wolverine habitat and potential disturbance is based on modeling results, not actual study/finding FACTS. (DEIS 3.2.3.3-63) Myth: snowmobiles invade Goat winter habitat and impact the mortality rate of Mtn Goats. Fact: Mtn Goats winter range will be an area where they can find forage (DEIS 3.2.3.2-77) such as dried grasses and lichen as a food source. This will predicate areas that typically have less than two feet of snow depth. Snowmobiles need about five feet of snow to be able to travel on top of down fall and boulders etc. to access the high terrain back country. Fact: Goat winter ranges in the Great Burn have not been identified except for Land Owner Mt. (which is adjacent to the Great Burn). There is a small herd that winters on Land Owner Mtn. off the Forest Service road going to Hoodoo Pass. They are visible from that road and have readily adapted to snowmobile traffic. I have a picture of one in that area taken from my snowmobile and had to whistle several times to get him to stand up so I could get a better picture!. Fact: I have never seen a Mtn Goat or a Mtn Goat track while snowmobiling in the Great Burn over a 35 year period except on the Land Owner Mtn. winter range. I have never heard of anyone seeing a Mtn Goat while snowmobiling in the Great Burn except as noted above. Fact: Mtn Goat levels continue to decline at a higher rate in the Bitterroot Selway Wilderness than in the Great Burn RWA even though there is ZERO motorized activity allowed in the Bitterroot Selway. (DEIS 3.2.3.4-32). FACT: there is no scientific evidence of correlation between snowmobile activity and Mtn Goat mortality rates.
THE GREAT BURN SNOWMOBILE EXPERIENCE
The Great Burn really is the “last best place” to snowmobile in the lower 48 States (DEIS 3.4.2-22). The access into the three riding areas are all primitive non-groomed trails which in itself limits the number of riders willing to go into the pristine back country. It is not uncommon to enter an area and see no other snowmobile tracks. That is part of the “solitude” experience. Riding with a small group and not seeing any other riders all day is another part of the “solitude” experience. Being able to get into spectacular bowl configurations such as the headwaters of Frog Creek or the headwaters of Silver Creek are sights few snowmobilers (and summer users) get to see. Seeing them in the winter with the pristine snow contrasting with the rock formations is unbelievable. Climbing to the top of a ridge and being able to view wild country for miles in all directions is the “scenery” experience. It gives one the same sensory experience Lewis and Clark probably felt when they viewed this country from a high vantage point. The “challenge” of the area for snowmobilers can be just getting there. Some days the fresh snow depths have you, and your sled, working so hard you might only make a few miles. On good days being able to cut a line through the trees or being able to climb through a bowl to the top, follow a ridge line and then drop into another bowl or drainage on untracked snow is the Holy Grail of snowmobiling. And the residual beauty of this experience is: when the snow melts all trace of activity is gone.
CONCLUSION
At the end of the day it comes down to considering recreational uses to be allowed in the Great Burn that will not impair the WILDNESS of the area. It cannot be about considering user restrictions to satisfy only certain recreational user preferences. It comes down to considering impacts to wildlife based on FACTS and scientific studies, not modeling studies or assumed unproven impacts. IT COMES DOWN TO MANAGING PUBLIC LANDS FOR THE GREATER GOOD OF THE PUBLIC.
Stan Spencer
President
Backcountry Sled Patriots
406 544 0144
stanspencer@montana.com
Should Snowmobiling be Stopped?
A recent Guest Column by Dale Harris (Feb 3, 2020) has prompted me to respond. The headline MAINTAIN WILDNESS OF MT-ID FORESTS (reference to the Great Burn area in the Clearwater National Forest) is absolutely aligned with my thinking. Couldn’t agree more. However, if you read the column carefully you would have no doubt that the unspoken or veiled part of his comments conveyed a message. “Maintain the Wildness only for one specific category of user”. The “wildness” character can be maintained and still support various users that do not diminish the character of the area. Snowmobiling is a good example of what I’m referring to. Virtually zero impact on the land. Once the snow melts all trace is removed. There is no user conflict in the high alpine areas in the winter because the only way to get to the areas is via snowmobile. I have snowmobiled the Great Burn since 1988 and have only seen back country skiers twice. In both cases they accessed the area via snowmobile.
Let’s talk about wildlife impact from snowmobiling. Mr. Harris suggests Goats and Wolverines are vulnerable to motorized disturbance (no factual evidence is provided). Goats need to eat in the winter. Their principal winter diet is grasses and liken. That limits their preference to winter in areas that have less than two feet of snow (the average length of a Goats leg is 22”). Snowmobiles can’t access the Great Burn unless there is about five feet of snow to cover rocks and deadfall. Snowmobiles just are not in Goat winter habitat areas. When the Great Burn was open for snowmobiling I had observed Wolverines, from a fairly long distance, in a couple of places. I do understand they need snow to make a ‘home’ for raising their young. The thing is they don’t do this out in open areas. They generally do this on steep cliff areas that are not accessible by man or machine. They can maneuver up or down on a rock face faster than any Mt. Goat. A snowmobile can’t get anywhere near a Wolverine den.
The Forest Service did a study of Wolverine disturbance in the Payette National Forest and the short version of the findings were: Wolverines are more disturbed by a skier than a snowmobile. The recently released Draft Environmental Statement (DEIS) for the Clearwater National Forest Plan Revision compared Goat mortality rates in the Bitterroot-Selway Wilderness (no motorized allowed) with the Great Burn when it was open to snowmobiling and found the mortality rate was much higher in the non-motorized area.
Past Montana studies have arrived at the same results. There is just no correlation between Goat mortality rates and snowmobile activity. I, and most of the snowmobile community, agree that Great Burn area should be protected. Protected from any activity that would diminish the “wildness” character of the area. Not protected from uses that certain groups simply don’t like.
Let’s talk about wildlife impact from snowmobiling. Mr. Harris suggests Goats and Wolverines are vulnerable to motorized disturbance (no factual evidence is provided). Goats need to eat in the winter. Their principal winter diet is grasses and liken. That limits their preference to winter in areas that have less than two feet of snow (the average length of a Goats leg is 22”). Snowmobiles can’t access the Great Burn unless there is about five feet of snow to cover rocks and deadfall. Snowmobiles just are not in Goat winter habitat areas. When the Great Burn was open for snowmobiling I had observed Wolverines, from a fairly long distance, in a couple of places. I do understand they need snow to make a ‘home’ for raising their young. The thing is they don’t do this out in open areas. They generally do this on steep cliff areas that are not accessible by man or machine. They can maneuver up or down on a rock face faster than any Mt. Goat. A snowmobile can’t get anywhere near a Wolverine den.
The Forest Service did a study of Wolverine disturbance in the Payette National Forest and the short version of the findings were: Wolverines are more disturbed by a skier than a snowmobile. The recently released Draft Environmental Statement (DEIS) for the Clearwater National Forest Plan Revision compared Goat mortality rates in the Bitterroot-Selway Wilderness (no motorized allowed) with the Great Burn when it was open to snowmobiling and found the mortality rate was much higher in the non-motorized area.
Past Montana studies have arrived at the same results. There is just no correlation between Goat mortality rates and snowmobile activity. I, and most of the snowmobile community, agree that Great Burn area should be protected. Protected from any activity that would diminish the “wildness” character of the area. Not protected from uses that certain groups simply don’t like.